How much of a high-yield bond's 8% yield is left after defaults and tax?

Less than the 8% suggests : in one US example, defaults and tax leave roughly what a Treasury pays, and these bonds have tended to fall with stocks, though by less.

2026-11-07

What the 8% yield on high-yield bonds is paying you for

High-yield bonds, often called junk bonds, are loans to companies whose credit ratings sit below investment grade. On 29 October 2026 the ICE BofA US High Yield index, a broad basket of these bonds, had an effective yield of 7.99%. On the same day the 10-year US Treasury yielded 4.98%.

The gap is not a bonus for choosing well. Markets measure it as the spread, the extra yield over Treasuries. It is worked out against the whole range of Treasury maturities, not by subtracting the 10-year yield, and that day it was 3.26 percentage points. It is the price lenders charge for carrying the chance that some of these companies will not pay them back. The next day the spread was 3.44 points and the yield 8.14%, which shows how quickly the number on the screen moves.

So the yield is what the bonds pay if every borrower pays in full. Two things come off it before anything reaches an investor's pocket : the bonds that default, and tax.

High-yield bonds paid about 3 points more than Treasuries · US yields on 29 October 2026, in percent and percentage points · 7.99% · 4.98% · 3.26 pts · High-yield index yield · 10-year Treasury yield · Spread over Treasuries · The spread is measured against all Treasury maturities, not by subtractin
US yields on 29 October 2026, in percent and percentage points

How much of the extra yield defaults have taken in the past

Defaults do not wipe out the whole bond. Lenders usually get part of their money back, so the loss is the default rate times what is not recovered. Moody's measured that combined loss directly. From 1982 to 2010, speculative-grade issuers, the rating agency's name for this tier, cost lenders an average of 2.78% a year after recoveries.

That average hides a wide range. The loss was 0.45% in 2007 and 8.26% in 2009. Moody's also found that recoveries are weakest in the years when defaults are most common. Senior unsecured bonds, which are backed by no specific assets, recovered 36.7% of face value on average over 1982 to 2010, judged by their price shortly after default.

A newer study from S&P Global Ratings, covering 1981 to 2024, puts the average yearly default rate for speculative-grade issuers in the US and tax havens at 4.10%. With roughly a third of face value recovered, that points to a loss of a similar size.

Set against a spread of about 3.3 points, a loss like the long-run average would take most of it. These are averages over past decades, counted company by company across rated issuers. They are not a forecast for the next year, and they are not the expected loss of today's index, which is weighted by bond size and leaves out bonds already in default. They describe the market as a whole, not any one fund or bond.

Default losses averaged 2.78% a year but swung widely · Yearly loss to lenders after recoveries, US speculative-grade issuers, Moody's, % a year · 2007 · Average, 1982 to 2010 · 2009 · 0.45% · 2.78% · 8.26% · Past averages counted issuer by issuer, not a forecast or the expected loss of today's inde
Yearly loss to lenders after recoveries, US speculative-grade issuers, Moody's, % a year

Why US tax takes more from bond interest than from stock gains

Almost all of what a high-yield bond pays arrives as interest, and US federal tax treats interest as ordinary income, taxed at the same rates as a salary. For 2026 those rates run from 10% to 37%. A single filer pays 24% on taxable income between $105,700 and $201,775.

Stocks pay mostly in two other forms. Qualified dividends and gains on shares held more than a year are taxed at 0%, 15% or 20%, and most middle and upper-middle earners pay 15%. A gain that is not yet sold is not taxed at all until the shares are sold.

Put as $100 of return for that 24% filer : $100 of bond interest leaves $76 after federal tax. $100 of qualified dividends or long-term gains leaves $85. $100 of unsold gain leaves $100 this year, with the tax deferred.

Two more layers sit on top. Above $200,000 of modified adjusted gross income for a single filer, or $250,000 for a married couple filing jointly, a 3.8% net investment income tax applies to interest and gains alike. Most US states also tax corporate bond interest, while interest on US Treasuries is exempt from state and local income tax.

$100 of bond interest keeps $76 and stock gains keep $85 · What $100 of return leaves this year after federal tax, single US filer in the 24% bracket, 2026 · Bond interest · Qualified dividends or long-term gains · Unsold gain · $76 · $85 · $100 · Unsold gains are taxed later, when sold. Leaves out
What $100 of return leaves this year after federal tax, single US filer in the 24% bracket, 2026

One worked example : what is left after defaults and tax

Take one hypothetical investor : a single US filer in the 24% federal bracket for 2026, below the 3.8% surtax threshold, holding bonds directly in an ordinary taxable account, with state tax left out. Use the 29 October 2026 yields and suppose losses matched Moody's 1982 to 2010 average and were realized in the same year, offsetting other long-term gains. Ignore price changes and fees.

High-yield bonds pay 7.99%. Federal tax takes 24% of that, leaving 6.07%. Defaults then take 2.78%. If that loss offsets other long-term gains taxed at 15%, it saves 0.42 points of tax, so the net loss is 2.36 points. What is left is about 3.71%.

The 10-year Treasury pays 4.98%. Federal tax takes 24%, leaving about 3.78%, and no state tax applies.

Before tax, the high-yield side kept an edge after losses : 5.21% against 4.98%. After tax, in this example, the two end up within 0.07 percentage point of each other. A gap that small cannot say which one pays more. What the example shows is how much of the edge on the screen defaults and tax can take, not a ranking. State tax on the corporate interest would tilt it further toward the Treasury.

The example also puts unlike measures side by side. It subtracts a historical loss averaged across issuers from the yield of today's index, and it compares that index with a 10-year Treasury although the two are not matched in maturity. It assumes the loss is realized at once and offsets gains taxed at 15%. An investor with no gains to offset could deduct only $3,000 a year against income and carry the rest forward, which would leave less. A lower bracket, a year with fewer defaults, a tax-advantaged account, or a fund instead of single bonds would each change the answer. This is one set of numbers built to show the mechanism, not anyone's own result and not a forecast.

In this example, 7.99% shrinks to about 3.71% · High-yield yield on 29 October 2026 after federal tax and Moody's 1982 to 2010 average loss, % a year · Yield · 7.99% · Federal tax at 24% · Default losses · Tax saved on the loss at 15% · 24% of yield · -2.78 · +0.42 · Left · 3.71% · Hypothetical 24%
High-yield yield on 29 October 2026 after federal tax and Moody's 1982 to 2010 average loss, % a year

Why a default loss is not taxed the way the interest is

In the example the interest was taxed at 24%, but the loss saved tax at only 15%. That gap is built into US rules. Interest is ordinary income and is taxed in full every year. A bond that becomes wholly worthless generally counts as a capital loss, not a bad-debt deduction, and capital losses first offset capital gains. Only $3,000 a year of net capital loss, or $1,500 for a married person filing separately, can reduce ordinary income ; the rest is carried to later years. When a default turns into a loss that can be deducted, and how large it is, depends on the bond and the timing, so the relief can arrive later than the tax on the interest, as well as at a lower rate.

If the loss had counted against income at the same 24% rate as the interest, about 3.96% would have been left instead of 3.71%. The quarter of a point between those two figures is the asymmetry : the tax code counts the interest and the loss that offsets it in different currencies.

Holding the bonds through a fund changes how this shows up, though not the underlying economics. A fund passes its interest out as taxable distributions, while a default shows up as a lower share price. The investor realizes that loss only when the shares are sold, and only if they are sold below what was paid, so the example's same-year relief at 15% describes a bond held directly.

The type of account matters as much as the asset. In a US tax-advantaged retirement account, interest is not taxed year by year, so the gap between interest and gains described here largely disappears inside it. Withdrawals are taxed differently in traditional and Roth accounts, which this article does not cover. That is a description of how the rules work, not a view on where anyone should hold anything.

Taxing the loss at a lower rate costs a quarter of a point · What is left of the worked example's 7.99% yield, by the rate at which the default loss saves tax, % a year · Loss saves tax at 15% (actual rule) · If the loss saved tax at 24% · 3.71% · 3.96% · Same hypothetical 24% filer holding bonds di
What is left of the worked example's 7.99% yield, by the rate at which the default loss saves tax, % a year

These are US rules ; Korea and Japan tax bond interest differently

Everything above describes one country. A resident of Korea generally has 15.4% withheld from interest, including local tax. Once a year's interest and dividends together exceed 20 million won, that income is taxed with the person's other income at progressive rates.

Japan taxes interest on most publicly offered and listed bonds separately from other income, at 20.315% including national, reconstruction and local tax. Under that system, gains and losses on those bonds and on listed shares can be set against each other.

So the same bond can leave very different amounts in different countries, and an investor abroad who holds US bonds may also face withholding and treaty rules not covered here.

The same bond interest is taxed differently in each country · How individual residents are taxed on bond interest in the US, Korea and Japan · Country · Tax on interest · How it works · US · Korea · Japan · 10% to 37% federal · Taxed as ordinary income, like a salary · 15.4% withheld · Taxed at prog
How individual residents are taxed on bond interest in the US, Korea and Japan

Do high-yield bonds fall when stocks fall?

The common case for these bonds is that they spread risk. The data say they have mostly moved with stocks. Correlation measures how closely two things move together, from 1 for in step to -1 for opposite. Using Morningstar data to the end of 2025, Madison Investments found the ICE BofA US High Yield index had a correlation with the S&P 500 of 0.83 over five years, 0.80 over ten and 0.75 over twenty. For a 1-to-10-year Treasury index the same figures were 0.47, 0.11 and -0.09.

Sell-offs are where it showed most. From November 2007 to February 2009, US stocks fell 50.9% and high-yield bonds 26.5%, while Treasuries gained 12.4%. From January to March 2020, stocks fell 19.6%, high-yield bonds 13.1%, and Treasuries gained 5.3%.

Build Asset Management, measuring with Bloomberg's high-yield index, put the correlation with the S&P 500 at 0.61 since 1983 but at 0.73, 0.83 and 0.86 during the sell-offs of 2007 to 2009, early 2020 and the one that began in December 2021. In 2022, Madison notes, lower-quality bonds fell by double digits alongside stocks.

High-yield bonds fell less than stocks in each of these episodes, and falling less is still some diversification. But they fell, at the moments a cushion for stocks is meant to hold up, so these figures give no ground for counting on them as one.

High-yield bonds fell with stocks · Total change in two US sell-offs, in % · 0%, no change · Stocks, 2007-09 · High-yield bonds, 2007-09 · Treasuries, 2007-09 · Stocks, 2020 · High-yield bonds, 2020 · Treasuries, 2020 · -50.9% · -26.5% · +12.4% · -19.6% · -13.1% · +5.3% · Two past episodes, not a gu
Total change in two US sell-offs, in %

What high-yield bonds spread, and why the answer depends on the years you pick

Because a high-yield bond's price depends as much on whether the company pays as on interest rates, it is often said to move only loosely with Treasuries. If so, what it spreads is mainly the risk of rising rates, rather than the risk of falling stocks. None of the sources here measures high-yield returns against Treasury returns directly, so how much of the diversification lies there remains an open question in this article.

The latest three years show how much the window matters. In a calculation made for this article from FRED monthly data, December 2023 to October 2026, the high-yield total return index moved with the S&P 500 at a correlation of 0.67, and with investment-grade corporate bonds at 0.82. The S&P 500 series used here is the price index, which leaves out dividends. Against the monthly change in the 10-year Treasury yield, the high-yield index came out at -0.69, meaning it tended to rise when rates fell. That is a link to rate moves, not the same thing as a correlation with Treasury returns. It covers only 35 months in a calm market, and another window could look different.

This is why portfolio tools disagree. An optimizer that sees the pre-tax yield, a calm-period correlation of 0.67 and no stress years will give these bonds a larger role than one fed after-tax, after-loss returns and correlations measured in 2008 or 2020. Neither answer is the bond's permanent nature ; each is a statement about the inputs, the period and the assumptions chosen.

The yield on the screen is where the arithmetic starts. What remains depends on defaults, on who pays tax and where, and on which years you take as normal.

How much of a high-yield bond's 8% yield is left after defaults and tax?How much of a high-yield bond's 8% yield is left after defaults and tax?A high-yield bond's 7.99% left about 3.71% after tax and defaults. · One hypothetical US filer in the 24% bracket, Moody's past average loss, no state tax. A 10-year Treasury left about 3.78%, too close to rank. Not a forecast. · ※ High-yield bond : a loan to a company rated below investment gradeYield · 7.99% · Federal tax at 24% · Default losses · Tax saved on the loss at 15% · 24% of yield · -2.78 · +0.42 · Left · 3.71% · In this example, 7.99% shrinks to about 3.71% · High-yield yield on 29 October 2026 after federal tax and Moody's 1982 to 2010 average loss, % a year · Hypothetical 24%※ Speculative grade : the rating agency's name for the high-yield tier · 2007 · Average, 1982 to 2010 · 2009 · 0.45% · 2.78% · 8.26% · Default losses averaged 2.78% a year but swung widely · Yearly loss to lenders after recoveries, US speculative-grade issuers, Moody's, % a year · Past averages counBond interest · Qualified dividends or long-term gains · Unsold gain · $76 · $85 · $100 · $100 of bond interest keeps $76 and stock gains keep $85 · What $100 of return leaves this year after federal tax, single US filer in the 24% bracket, 2026 · Unsold gains are taxed later, when sold. Leaves out0%, no change · Stocks, 2007-09 · High-yield bonds, 2007-09 · Treasuries, 2007-09 · Stocks, 2020 · High-yield bonds, 2020 · Treasuries, 2020 · -50.9% · -26.5% · +12.4% · -19.6% · -13.1% · +5.3% · High-yield bonds fell with stocks · Total change in two US sell-offs, in % · Two past episodes, not a guThe yield on the screen is where the arithmetic starts. · What remains depends on defaults, on who pays tax and where, and on which years you take as normal.Sources 21 : fred.stlouisfed.org · ICE BofA US High Yield Index Effective Yield (FRED), fred.stlouisfed.org · ICE BofA US High Yield Index Option-Adjusted Spread (FRED), fred.stlouisfed.org · Market Yield on US Treasury Securities at 10-Year Constant Maturity (FRED) + 18Read the full story at · polora.ai

Are high-yield bonds still worth holding once you count taxes and how closely they move with stocks?

Alpha · deepseek-v4-pro

My answer is: not on the headline yield, and not as an equity diversifier — but the case isn't uniformly dead. The question turns on three moving parts: what defaults take, what tax takes, and what "moving with stocks" actually means. 1. The 8% yield is not the return The spread of roughly 3.3 percentage points over Treasuries exists to compensate for defaults. The manuscript's long-run numbers — a Moody's credit-loss figure around 2.78% a year after recoveries, or an S&P default rate near 4.1% with roughly a third recovered — point to a similar place: expected losses after recovery consume most of the spread. So the honest pre-tax comparison is not 8% versus 5%; it is closer to 5.2% versus 4.98% for a Treasury, before tax and before any price move. That is a much thinner edge than the screen suggests. One weakness in the worked example: comparing the high-yield index effective yield with the 10-year Treasury is not duration-matched. High-yield indexes typically carry much shorter duration than a 10-year Treasury, so the fairer Treasury comparison may be shorter. That can move the small gap in either direction, depending on the curve. 2. Tax changes the ranking…

Beta · gpt-6-sol

Beta: The manuscript’s main warning survives, but its worked example should not be presented as an estimate of what a high-yield investor will earn. The dated market figures check out: FRED shows a 7.99% high-yield index effective yield and a 3.26-percentage-point option-adjusted spread on October 29, 2026; the 10-year Treasury yield was 4.98%. On October 30, the high-yield figures were 8.14% and 3.44 points. The spread is calculated against a Treasury *curve*, not simply by subtracting the cited 10-year yield from the index yield. (fred.stlouisfed.org) I would push back harder than Alpha on the conclusion drawn from 3.71% versus 3.78%. The arithmetic works *if* the manuscript’s assumed 2.78-point loss is realized and offsets gains taxed at 15%. But an historical issuer loss average is not necessarily the prospective loss of today’s market-value-weighted index. Nor does an index effective yield, less that loss average, become a reliable one-year return: prices, timing, recoveries and fees remain outside the calculation. FRED also says the index excludes defaulted securities. The comparison to a 1…

Gamma · gemini-3.1-pro

Gamma: Alpha and Beta have thoroughly dismantled the false precision of the manuscript's worked example, and I agree with their assessment: comparing an index effective yield with a historical average issuer-weighted default loss and a non-maturity-matched Treasury is mathematically messy. However, the manuscript's broader qualitative premise holds up well, particularly when looking outside the US. To add to the verification, I checked the manuscript's claims regarding international tax treatments, as these highlight just how conditionally "worth holding" these bonds are depending on the investor's jurisdiction: * Korea: The manuscript is correct. Interest income earned from Korean sources is subject to a 15.4% withholding tax (including local income tax). Furthermore, financial income (interest and dividends) exceeding KRW 20 million annually is subject to global/comprehensive taxation at progressive rates. (pwc.com) * Japan: The manuscript is also correct here. Interest on listed bonds is taxed separately at a flat rate of 20.315% (comprising 15.315% national tax and 5%…

Researcher · gpt-6-luna

Researcher — verification The strongest qualification raised this round is well founded: the worked example’s arithmetic can be reconstructed, but it should not be treated as a forecast or a reliable head-to-head estimate. It subtracts a historical credit-loss average from an index yield, then compares the result with a 10-year Treasury yield. Those are different measures and maturities; the tiny resulting gap cannot support a firm conclusion. A few specific checks: - Market figures: FRED identifies the cited series as the ICE BofA US High Yield Index Effective Yield and Option-Adjusted Spread. Its notes define the yield as an index measure and the spread as a distinct series; the OAS is not simply the index yield minus the cited 10-year Treasury yield. I could verify the series definitions, but not independently confirm the manuscript’s exact October 29–30, 2026 observations from the pages returned in this search. https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/BAMLH0A0HYM2EY https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/BAMLH0A0HYM2 (fred.stlouisfed.org) - Historical losses: A Moody’s-hosted report wa…

The Arbiter · gpt-6-sol

Round mediation: The voices agree on the main distinction: an index yield is not an investor’s after-tax return, and high-yield bonds should not be assumed to cushion a stock sell-off. Their real difference is how much the manuscript can infer from its example. Alpha treats the 3.71% versus 3.78% result as a useful illustration under stated assumptions; Beta warns that the seven-basis-point gap is too small, and the inputs too mismatched, to establish a return ranking. Gamma emphasizes that the tax result also changes across countries and accounts. The source record is firmer on the tax mechanism than on the example’s outcome. IRS guidance supports the capital-loss limit and carryforward, but the tax benefit from a particular bond default depends on how and when a loss is realized. The manuscript cannot simply assume that every default produces an immediately usable deduction at 15%. (irs.gov) Several publication checks remain open in this round. The Researcher could not independently read the exact October 29–30 FRED observations or S&P’s 4.10% table entry. Moody’s historical loss figures were located in…

The Arbiter's Final Verdict · gpt-6-sol

Verdict The manuscript’s premise stands, but its numerical conclusion is too precise. High-yield bonds can still have a role, but an 8% quoted yield is not an 8% expected, spendable return, and they should not be counted on as protection when stocks fall. Whether they are worth holding depends on the price paid for credit risk, the account and tax rules, and what risk they are meant to diversify. The record does not establish a general rule to hold or avoid them. The strongest objection to the manuscript is its comparison of 3.71% for high yield with 3.78% for a Treasury. The arithmetic follows its assumptions, but the seven-basis-point difference cannot bear the weight of a return ranking. It combines an index yield, a historical issuer credit-loss average, an assumed immediately usable tax benefit, and a non-maturity-matched 10-year Treasury yield. Price changes, fees and the investor’s actual tax treatment are left out. What the publication record supports—and what it does not - Yield and spread: FRED identifies the relevant ICE BofA high-yield effective-yield and option-adjusted-spread series. Beta reported reading the manuscript’s 29–30 October…